Received: from mgmt.utoronto.ca (fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca [128.100.43.253]) by tapehost.texas.net (8.8.8/2.4) with SMTP id PAA13351 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mgmt.utoronto.ca (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.7/26Jan98-0432AM) id AA10224; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:53:57 -0400 From: LouisFors Message-Id: <173e8117.352bd5c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:53:38 EDT To: emweb@fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a re (new?) direction for 544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-emweb@fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: emweb@fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: c5db4fa465c747ad731368d3584d1f1c In a message dated 98-04-08 13:53:03 EDT, Margaret Freeman wrote: > I apologize if this posting is way off base, but I'm wondering at the > pondering discussions that have taken place so far. It seems as if everyone > is reading the noun phrases "The Martyr Poets" and "The Martyr Painters" as > if the word "Martyr" were a descriptive adjective describing the head noun > of the phrase. But is this necessarily the case? Couldn't the structure be > poets and painters that take martyrs as their subject (I'm thinking of > Fox's Book of Martyrs, which if my memory serves me correctly Dickinson > knew, and the religious paintings of the martyrs)? When we refer to "The > Depression Poets," for example, we don't mean that the poets suffered > depression, but that they were poets of the Depression period that shared > certain themes arising from that period. > > Margaret > Great! There's always a new reading lurking someplace, and this one is useful. I had played with "Martyr poets" and "Martyred poets," noting that the shift made a difference. But I never got through to the one you've suggested. I too have reread 544 with your thought in mind, and it works, although it still works both ways. Now I'll shift for a bit, thinking of poets, painters, musicians, sculptors, choreographers, etc., who have worked the theme of martyrs. There are hundreds of them. Then I'm sure I'll swing back to the other reading of "martyr." I guess ED would have liked that ambiguity. Louis Forsdale Louis Forsdale