Received: from fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca (fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca [128.100.43.253]) by tapehost.texas.net (8.8.8/2.4) with ESMTP id PAA25134 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:24:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA15197 for emweb-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:23:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca: majordom set sender to owner-emweb@mgmt.utoronto.ca using -f From: LouisFors Message-ID: <261b7a15.35648cf9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:22:16 EDT To: emweb@fmgmt.mgmt.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: # 1393 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-emweb@mgmt.utoronto.ca Precedence: list Reply-To: emweb@mgmt.utoronto.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: fd5155be5f28d493e69a7c2fc540fd1c Doris wrote, responding to Marilyn's reminder of Attic tradition in 1393: > "These poets, if they proved to be his faithful and industrious servants, he > [Apollo] rewarded with a garland of laurel -- in Greek, daphne. The > connexion > of poetry with laurel is not merely that laurel is an evergreen [silly me! > of > course--evergreen/deathless] and thus a symbol of immortality [fame]: it is > also an intoxicant." Hmmmmmm. > According to Graves the laurel leaves were chewed by certain female > priestesses "to induce a poetic and erotic frenzy". Thanks Marilyn and Doris and others, my intellectual misery *may* soon end. There is, however, at least one other question: Why does he/him/she have to be chastened? (I read "chasten" as punishment with the hope of *correcting* someone.) What would happen if we read the first two lines of the poem (Lay this Laurel on the One/Too intrinsic for Renown) *without knowing ED's biography*--with its measures of loneliness and disappointment, which one could think of as punishment--by self or society or...? Does every instrinsic person who does not gain fame suffer the fate of being chastened? I'll soon stop and contemplate alone lest I bore all the friendly emwebbers. and, Marilyn, I like the image of ED eating bay leaves up in her room, Louis